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	<title>Comments on: The Trick Is to Keep Breathing</title>
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		<title>By: Firas</title>
		<link>http://firasd.org/weblog/2006/09/20/the-trick-is-to-keep-breathing/comment-page-1#comment-6464</link>
		<dc:creator>Firas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Sep 2006 18:48:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Tara,

Mmm, I wouldn&#039;t say &#039;schadenfreude&#039; per se, because that implies malice, you know&#8212;like a sort of perverse glee in others&#039; misery? Maybe &#039;self-schadenfreude&#039; is an oxymoron by definition. (Of course we might feel schadenfreude about what happens to characters we don&#039;t like, especially when there are clear moral delineations... although, as a sidenote, I&#039;d say that I view moral fuzziness as almost a requirement for great art. Actual life is in shades of grey after all.)

I do know what you&#039;re getting at, though: a sort of catharsis, from sympathizing with the plight of the characters, or at least empathizing if nothing else (I personally think stories, when it comes down to it, are just exercises in empathy.) I suspect that, for better or for worse, the &quot;can you relate&quot; issue is a basic factor in how much you like a piece of art&#8212;&#039;Resonance&#039;, as someone I mentioned that to called it. And the art in question doesn&#039;t have to be &#039;great&#039; or &#039;timeless&#039; or a &#039;modern classic&#039; or whatever for that to happen&#8212;&#039;chick flicks&#039; resonate with their audience.

As for why the tragedy, pain, pity etc. resonates so much, even among people who&#039;ve had basically stable lives&#8212;that&#039;s the big question isn&#039;t it? Maybe some people are just disposed to being connoisseurs of the tragic vision&#8212;permanent fans of the grown-up versions of teen-angst novels and bitter poetry&#8212;I might count myself among them. That sort of thing can always slide into patheticness though (cue Dido: &quot;You think misery will make you stand apart from the crowd... well if you had walked past me today I wouldn&#039;t have picked you out&quot;.)

(There&#039;s also another aspect here: what they say about tragedy being easy and comedy being hard. It&#039;s easy to make us root for Prince Charming and feel saddened when Evil Overlord stabs him through the heart&#8212;these are the most primal fairy-tale-style archetypes&#8212;is that really &#039;great&#039;? Then again, you can get across &quot;what a bummer it is to be a human being&quot; &lt;em&gt;while&lt;/em&gt; making people laugh, perhaps sardonically: satire, etc.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Tara,</p>
<p>Mmm, I wouldn&#8217;t say &#8216;schadenfreude&#8217; per se, because that implies malice, you know&mdash;like a sort of perverse glee in others&#8217; misery? Maybe &#8216;self-schadenfreude&#8217; is an oxymoron by definition. (Of course we might feel schadenfreude about what happens to characters we don&#8217;t like, especially when there are clear moral delineations&#8230; although, as a sidenote, I&#8217;d say that I view moral fuzziness as almost a requirement for great art. Actual life is in shades of grey after all.)</p>
<p>I do know what you&#8217;re getting at, though: a sort of catharsis, from sympathizing with the plight of the characters, or at least empathizing if nothing else (I personally think stories, when it comes down to it, are just exercises in empathy.) I suspect that, for better or for worse, the &#8220;can you relate&#8221; issue is a basic factor in how much you like a piece of art&mdash;&#8217;Resonance&#8217;, as someone I mentioned that to called it. And the art in question doesn&#8217;t have to be &#8216;great&#8217; or &#8216;timeless&#8217; or a &#8216;modern classic&#8217; or whatever for that to happen&mdash;&#8217;chick flicks&#8217; resonate with their audience.</p>
<p>As for why the tragedy, pain, pity etc. resonates so much, even among people who&#8217;ve had basically stable lives&mdash;that&#8217;s the big question isn&#8217;t it? Maybe some people are just disposed to being connoisseurs of the tragic vision&mdash;permanent fans of the grown-up versions of teen-angst novels and bitter poetry&mdash;I might count myself among them. That sort of thing can always slide into patheticness though (cue Dido: &#8220;You think misery will make you stand apart from the crowd&#8230; well if you had walked past me today I wouldn&#8217;t have picked you out&#8221;.)</p>
<p>(There&#8217;s also another aspect here: what they say about tragedy being easy and comedy being hard. It&#8217;s easy to make us root for Prince Charming and feel saddened when Evil Overlord stabs him through the heart&mdash;these are the most primal fairy-tale-style archetypes&mdash;is that really &#8216;great&#8217;? Then again, you can get across &#8220;what a bummer it is to be a human being&#8221; <em>while</em> making people laugh, perhaps sardonically: satire, etc.)</p>
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		<title>By: Tara</title>
		<link>http://firasd.org/weblog/2006/09/20/the-trick-is-to-keep-breathing/comment-page-1#comment-6434</link>
		<dc:creator>Tara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Sep 2006 22:11:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re right that is fatalistic. I kind of agree with Vonnegut&#8212;isn&#039;t it some kind of self-schadenfreude that makes us love literature so much?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re right that is fatalistic. I kind of agree with Vonnegut&mdash;isn&#8217;t it some kind of self-schadenfreude that makes us love literature so much?</p>
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